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  dozens of copies of CoC

  by Xanthippe in

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  there are dozens of copies of crisis of conscience on this site abebooks.co.uk, second hand from 4. .

  they are shipped from the us but although there is a us version of this site i can't find it on the search function no matter what i put in.. anyway for my fellow brits cheap copies here: - .

  http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/searchresults?an=raymond+franz&sts=t&tn=crisis+of+conscience.

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  Village Idiot

  DesirousOfChange: "I'd have liked to have known Ray Franz."

  I only spoke to him once on the phone briefly but I can tell you he was a very meek man, not the raving lunatic which is the Watchtower's archetype of an apostate.
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  The lame HARP of GOD of Joe Rutherford as seen looking back to his silly lies

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  project gutenberg is an online library of books.

  it caters to e-book readers although any of its volumes is easily accessible as html and plain text..

  the harp of god by j.f.

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  Village Idiot

  I forget which of Rutherford's books it was but one of them had an advertisement, in the back, for his collection of the 'rainbow' series books that said that you can learn more from 15 minutes of reading his books than a lifetime of Bible reading.

  If someone with access to his books can hunt that down it would make for a devastating quote.

  By the way, I recall reading in one of the editions of The Harp of God that Russell was the 'Faithful and Discreet Slave' (Probably phrased slightly differently as they would not be quoting from the NWT). The book went through several changes in subsequent editions so I'm not sure if they all say the same thing.
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  Reason why God wanted/made humans write the scriptures

  by looter in

  1. watchtower
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  jehovah's witnesses believe that god sent humans to write the bible because his servants can relate better to humans since they are humans.

  i heard that at a meeting two weeks ago.

  it does not make sense to me at all but i do not know how to explain it.

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  Village Idiot

  Looter, you might be interested in this list of Bible contradictions, atrocities and absurdities. After reading it ask yourself who is most likely to have written it.
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  dozens of copies of CoC

  by Xanthippe in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  there are dozens of copies of crisis of conscience on this site abebooks.co.uk, second hand from 4. .

  they are shipped from the us but although there is a us version of this site i can't find it on the search function no matter what i put in.. anyway for my fellow brits cheap copies here: - .

  http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/searchresults?an=raymond+franz&sts=t&tn=crisis+of+conscience.

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  Village Idiot

  Here are some for as cheap as 4.44 US dollars. http://www.amazon.com/Crisis-Conscience-Struggle-between-Religion/dp/0914675036/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1421443150&sr=8-2&keywords=Crisis+of+Conscience
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  YAWEHLAND - Imagine a country where Jehovah's Witnesses are the majority

  by EdenOne in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in 2018, cyprus goes bankrupt (again).

  many of its inhabitants, lacking jobs and prospectives of a better future, emigrate to more prosperous countries.

  cyprus' society is on the brink of collapse.

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  Village Idiot

  No, it does not make a caliphate unless they have what the caliphate actually had, complete power and control in their nation. And what about the examples I gave?

  These tyrannies always begin in the psychology/personality of authoritarian people. When authoritarian people join hands then you have a dictatorship. Think of Christianity's transition from an apolitical group to the Catholic (Universal) Church in control of Europe thanks to Emperor Constantine. Just ask yourself, if John Doe had a dictatorial personality what would happen if he had his own little kingdom where he could play God.
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  YAWEHLAND - Imagine a country where Jehovah's Witnesses are the majority

  by EdenOne in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in 2018, cyprus goes bankrupt (again).

  many of its inhabitants, lacking jobs and prospectives of a better future, emigrate to more prosperous countries.

  cyprus' society is on the brink of collapse.

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  Village Idiot

  Simon:

  "Like the Mormons, JWs are a high-control group but they do not enforce these controls through violence. They have rules and want people to stick to them but it's largely voluntary."

  The only reason Jehovah's Witnesses don't resort to violence is because they have no sovereign territory they can call their own. I was told that by an elder at my disfellowshipping trial "If you were in Israel you would be stoned. "I've also read the same thing in a Watchtower magazine which said that the only reason they didn't execute some of their members is because the laws of the land will not allow them.

  Once these authoritarian religions gain complete control of a geographical area their laws go into effect.

  By the way, some Mormons did execute their own apostates in the 19th century under a doctrine that was called blood atonement. 

  Another example of religions executing people were the Puritans who persecuted and executed Quakers (with whom they had doctrinal differences).

  
  
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  Why I like Jehovah's Witnesses

  by undercover witness in

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  i keep reading that jehovah's witnesses are in effect monsters.

  i keep reading that they kinda leave chaos and distrust in their wake.

  so i simply wondered if anyone had anything nice to say about them?.

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  undercover witness

  I take this thread to be tongue and cheek. 34 minutes ago

  I keep reading that Jehovah's Witnesses are in effect monsters.  I keep reading that they kinda leave chaos and distrust in their wake.  So I simply wondered if anyone had anything nice to say about them?

  Some of them. The religion breeds them that way.

  Why I Like Jehovah's Witnesses

  I am not an official Witness.  I am therefore Undercover.  They wouldn't let me join their organisation with a cigarette in my mouth.  It's unhygienic and sets a bad example to the kids.  Quite right too.  So if I bump into Witnesses on the street I don't smoke in front of them lest they go and get the hump.

   

  Nice of you. That doesn't make them nice generally speaking.
  
  However, there are many reasons why I like Jehovah's Witnesses wherever they may be. They know the essential validity of the Bible and from all of the versions of the Bibles, their's is the only one that makes any actual sense. 

   

  They don't really validate the Bible but instead they validate the governing body's interpretation of it. The New World Translation is a pile of bovine manure.

   

  They know the reality of the Creator and even what His name means. 

   

  Some others use the name Jehovah though nowhere near as much as the Witnesses. Think of Exodus 20:7. They simply don't want to identified as a Witness

   

  They know a con from most of the world's religions when they see it too. 

   

  Can they smell their own? 

   

  They know the prophecies in the Bible and pretty much what they mean and what is on the horizon and beyond.

   

  Sure. Can't you hear the "trumpet blasts" at their assemblies?  

   

  Not everything they say or do, nor everything they believe, stands up to examination from the heart, but the vast majority of what they say about the Bible is correct and can be demonstrated by them from every version of the Bible. 

   

  Like the doctrine about Sheol in the Old Testament which in the Hebrew means underworld with immortal spirits of the dead (not the soul) are asleep in a literal manner.

   

  Or Hades in the New Testament where, in contradiction to the Old Testament, also refers to the underworld but with conscious (and immortal), souls either in a Paradise section of it for the righteous and a Lake of Fire section (Gehenna) for the wicked. Both of them awaiting the resurrection at judgment day with body and soul joined up together.

   

  Or their idea of Judgment Day. 

   

  Yes I know, huh? 

   

  And they mean you well. Without hatred in their hearts nor money on their minds.
  

   

  Something about crows pecking your eyes out and your house being transferred to them comes to mind.

  
  It takes drive and determination to go out in all weathers and keep knocking at everybody's door.  They do it for a reason. 

   

  Sure. I guess they must go to three or four houses per hour in between coffee and donut breaks.

   

  They have got some stunning information.  They know what the so-called 'Good News' actually is.  So hats off to them, I say. 

   

  Their interpretation of John 6:68 comes to mind. 

   

  It is a shame most people think they are mad.  They aren't any madder than all of us, though, just very, very driven by and towards our Creator. They have been told to do it by scripture and won't give up until this world's way of doing things ends.

   

  Suuuuuuuuuure. So where does Scripture say that salvation requires being a member of an organization? In particular they have added to the baptismal rite an oath of allegiance to the organization putting it on an equal standing with the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19).

  
  

  So hats off to Witnesses because they mean goodness not harm.  Above all I like Witnesses because they are my fellow human beings and that's reason enough to like anyone.

  ISIS terrorists are your fellow human beings. While the witnesses may not become suicide bombers their belief in Armaggedon slaughtering all non-witnesses is what they believe in their heart. Only because they don't have sovereign territory are they not dangerous to non-witnesses.
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  What do YOU desperately need, but you've been putting it off?

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i don't know why, but i put off getting a haircut way longer than i should.. i might go as long as 5 or 6 months between haircuts.. i desperately need a haircut.. what do you desperately need, but you've been putting it off?.

  (disclaimer: minimus is going to be jealous.

  this sort of question is his tradmark :).

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  Awake at last: "Village Idiot, are you suggesting that you go weeks at a time between showers too?"

  I was wondering how long it would take for someone to figure that out.  
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  What do YOU desperately need, but you've been putting it off?

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i don't know why, but i put off getting a haircut way longer than i should.. i might go as long as 5 or 6 months between haircuts.. i desperately need a haircut.. what do you desperately need, but you've been putting it off?.

  (disclaimer: minimus is going to be jealous.

  this sort of question is his tradmark :).

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  Village Idiot

  Same as you - a haircut. I just got one yesterday after a couple months from the last one. Also, I don't shave for weeks at a time. I wait until I shower to shave.
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  Why a doubter/fader CANNOT participate in Family Worship/ How to get out it," WT Style."

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  family worship night is a boring, depressing, stifling, watchtarded indoctrination/brainwashing session.

  it never ends.

  like all things wt, there is no end in sight.

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  Village Idiot

  If you want to dissolve all of the "Watchtarded" logic you should progress to Bibletarded logic:

  1) Open up the Bible to Exodus 20 where the Ten Commandments are written. Then go to Exodus 34 where a second set of ten commandments, claiming to be like the original ones but give out a very different set of commands such as my favorite one: Commandment 10: “Do not cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.” - Exodus 34:26

  2)  Quote Deuteronomy 25:11-12 and ask your family about their opinions on that verse.

  3) Read where Jesus curses entire towns for not being impressed by his miracles but later asks God to forgive his murderers. Matthew 11:20-24 compared to Luke23:34. Make a snide remark about it. 

  Let the cognitive dissonance set in.